Ruby Rose vs Maka Albarn: Infinite-Sun7000 Blog
Ruby Rose vs Maka Albarn:
Infinite-Sun7000 Blog
With the next Death Battle episode on the way, I thought it’d be fun to get ahead of the discussion and share my own take on the matchup while the hype is building. To be honest, this is only the second time I’ve felt so certain that the outcome leans heavily in one side’s favor where it's almost to the point of being a complete stomp. So, let’s cut to the chase and dive right into it!
Stats:
Where does Ruby caps at? Generally speaking.
As most can see, the girl in the red hood is clearly at a major disadvantage when it comes to raw power in this matchup. To put things into perspective, I’ll start by breaking down the scaling chain within RWBY’s verse, just to establish where her higher-end (though less consistent) interpretations tend to place her. So, where does Ruby generally caps at?
Well for starters RWBY’s power scaling is fairly consistent, showcasing a wide range of techniques, with those who possess magic typically standing at a much higher level and for most of the main cast, the standard is around City Block level, scaling from Ruby Rose’s feat of kicking a Griffon (18 Tons). Professional Huntsmen would naturally rank above this. Post-Beacon, the cast remains within the City Block range, this time scaling from Blake Belladonna and Sun Wukong’s feat of damaging and ultimately defeating a Sea Feilong, which managed to break through several massive rock formations (21 Tons). By the Post-Haven era, the cast reaches into Multi-City Block level, scaling from the durability of the Queen Lancer.
There isn’t much need to justify why RWBY scales to other groups like JNPR, Cinder’s faction, Salem’s Inner Circle, or the White Fang. They’ve clashed on multiple occasions, consistently showing comparability if not always in raw power, then certainly in speed. That said, there unfortunately isn’t a vast amount of concrete feats to draw from. Other than maybe Oscar blasting through the bottom of Atlas (61 tons), Ruby herself serves as the basis for much of the standard scaling chain such as knocking over mechs (16 tons) and the previously aforementioned scaling to Grims such as Sea Feilong, The Queen Lance and Sphinx.
What about the Maidens? Ruby unfortunately does not scale to them, as most of the high-tiers in RWBY draw their strength primarily from the exertion of magic rather than raw physical ability. This also applies to characters like Weiss, whose attack potency is almost entirely dependent on her Dust usage. Because of that, feats such as Ozpin’s shield, Weiss’ meteor summons, and a large portion of Maiden showings aren’t really fair benchmarks for Ruby to scale to. This is somewhat problematic, because even though the verse is fairly consistent in terms of calcs, many of those results stem from attack potency feats that the characters don’t physically scale to including Ruby herself.
However, where do I personally put her and are there higher justifications?
In my view, yes. It isn’t completely one-sided, as there are still several feats that can reasonably be used to scale Ruby higher. While her most consistent placement sits in the Multi-City Block range, I think it’s fair to consider the higher-end scaling for her (and the main cast as a whole). Personally, I rank her significantly higher than is often suggested, since I believe there are multiple pieces of evidence supporting that position.
Firstly, we've established relativity within RWBY's verse. Not only Ruby and the main cast would most likely scale higher if not towards a lot of the semi-high tier of the verse, their feats and scaling are also reasonably consistent. The team was able go up against the likes of Cinder who can fight Neo, Neo herself have fought Ruby directly. Ruby should also be comparable to Weiss and Jaune who can even tank magical attacks from Cinder, Weiss herself at one point got the better of her who at one point managed to harm Cinder and cut her arm. Winter is also an officer and a high-tier from Atlas who should scale to the Ace Ops in which they themselves can fight against Maiden Penny with Elm capable of physically restraining her. Yang being a physical match for her, with team RWBY have fought on equal footing. Blake and Yang can fight against Adam, Yang fought Mercury who competed against Phyrra. The same Phyrra who held her own against Cinder and so on so forth.
My point is that RWBY functions as an exceptionally strong team, with consistent feats that scale across nearly every major group in the verse and, to be fair, that’s really the show’s main appeal. It delivers a lot of flashy, well-choreographed fight scenes. Don’t get me wrong, RWBY can offer more than just that (though personally, I don’t always find it so), but the constant juggling of characters through repeated fight sequences does in fact makes it appealing.
With that in mind, Ruby should be able to draw from a wide range of scaling feats. These include Neo no-selling a hard crash that created a massive crater (90-360 kilotons) along with a resultant earthquake (130 kilotons), Neo also withstood being at the heart of the Monstra Whale’s explosion, the power of which should massively upscale its kinetic energy output (186 megatons), Yang shattering one of Weiss’s meteors (1.3 - 53 gigatons), Weiss and Jaune withstanding Cinder’s flames with relatively low aura, flames capable of melting Amity (15 - 126 kilotons), Penny catching Amity’s Tower prior to activating her Maiden powers (5.7 megatons), Winter harming Cinder's arm which upscale the Wyvern Grimm who once caused an earthquake (2.7 megatons) and finally, Ruby herself striking the Atlesian Colossus with enough force to trigger an earthquake (4.5 megatons) and tanked attacks from Cinder's blast which broke through Ozpin's force field. Which, a canonically weaker version used by Oscar can be scaled to the Long Memory Explosion (62 megatons).
In conclusion, placing Ruby within the Small City to Mountain level range is fairly reasonable. She has solid feats of her own, and the physical feats performed by others in her verse support this level of scaling as well. The real question, however, is how she measures up against Maka.
Maka Albarn
Frankly, even considering Ruby’s higher-end feats, she still comes up short. Soul Eater operates on a clearer and more straightforward scaling system, particularly in how the main cast relates to the high-tiers. Overall, their destructive and durability feats are very solid as the lower to mid-tiers fall within the Town to Mountain level range, while the higher tiers scale up to Large Country level.
Even if one accepts Ruby’s questionable scaling, Maka still comfortably outclasses her through clear scaling to the main cast. Black☆Star, for instance, blitzed through a collapsing mountain slide (1.27 megatons) and casually hurled one of the Moon’s teeth (34 teratons). Crona physically forced the Moon’s mouth open (664 teratons) while Ragnarok’s scream made the Moon itself bleed (125 megatons). These consistent showings demonstrate that Maka, by virtue of scaling to her peers, operates on a level that completely dwarfs anything Ruby can reliably bring to the table.
She does not scale to Crona!!
But she does though? For starters, Kid singles out Maka as someone worthy of staying on the moon while dismissing all other Death Scythes, meisters, and students, calling the confrontation with Crona a “battle of gods.” If Maka were truly beneath his and Black☆Star’s level, there would have been no reason for him to let her remain.
Her resistance to Crona’s wavelength further supports this. Kid describes Crona’s scream as crushing those with weaker souls, yet Maka is completely unaffected. Since a stronger wavelength automatically overwhelms a weaker one, Maka being unfazed demonstrates parity. She also proves this through direct combat. Maka damages Crona multiple times drawing blood, knocking them down, and shaking them with blunt strikes. This is notable because Crona’s hardened Black Blood shields them from most harm, and even powerful fighters like Black☆Star or the Tsar Pushka duo could not make Crona bleed under similar conditions.
While one could argue Black☆Star was somewhat weaker during his earlier clash with Crona, his only clearly defined buff afterward was the Madness of Power, which he didn’t activate until the fight against Asura. By contrast, Crona was unambiguously weaker in that earlier fight: they hadn’t yet incorporated Madness into their attacks and hadn’t “completed” the Black Blood by killing Medusa. Despite this, even Black☆Star couldn’t make them bleed yet Maka does so repeatedly on the moon.
Maka consistently demonstrates the ability to contend with Crona on the moon without being overwhelmed. She blocks their slashes with Soul, only being pushed back rather than harmed, and even withstands their Rose Thorn Storm. This is notable because Soul Eater treats named techniques as being substantially more powerful than unnamed ones, and Rose Thorn Storm in particular likely represents Crona’s strongest attack. It incorporates the Madness of the Black Blood and the thorns they gained after killing Medusa, effectively marking the “completion” of their Black Blood. Yet, Maka is only pushed back rather than injured, and when she does receive a slash to the shoulder later, it causes no serious harm.
From Maka’s second fight with Crona, as well as Soul’s earlier clash with Stein, we know that blocking an attack from someone significantly stronger than oneself still causes visible harm to both meister and weapon. Maka’s battle with Giriko also indicates that if the gap is extreme enough, the strike bypasses the weapon entirely. Neither of these occurs when she blocks Crona’s attacks and Soul himself remains unharmed.
Crona, moreover, has Soul restrained by their thorns for an extended period of time but does not simply destroy him, despite having shown in their very first battle that they were capable of damaging him in weapon form. The only moments where Crona gains the upper hand over Maka are circumstantial: when her scythe is trapped behind her, leaving her unable to block, when she is forced to use Soul to stop her fall off the moon, leaving her briefly open, and when Crona drops a tooth using their thorns. Otherwise, the exchange remains fairly balanced.
In fact, Maka keeps pace with Crona’s movements, and it is often Crona who has difficulty tracking her, whereas Maka herself struggled to match the more powerful Asura’s speed. This is reinforced by the moment where Black☆Star “saves” her from a third incoming blade ad rather than being blitzed, Maka had already dodged the previous two easily, Crona actually warns her about the third strike in advance, and she shows no concern for it as she's clearly aware that Black☆Star was about to intercept.
Strength and speed in Soul Eater are directly correlated (DB power level system fr), there are no examples of characters being vastly stronger while not also being significantly faster. If Crona were truly on a much higher level than Maka, they would have outpaced her just as Mosquito did to Kid and Free. Instead, the battle consistently shows her able to keep up, with her friends including Spirit voicing complete confidence in her ability to do so. Maka even explicitly states, “We have no reason to be afraid of Crona.”
Finally, it’s important to note that Maka is holding back throughout the encounter, as she does not want to kill Crona but rather save them. This makes it even less likely, narratively, that she was intended to be portrayed as outclassed.
Surely not on the same level as Black☆Star, Kid, or Asura… right?
Fortunately for Soul Eater fans (and perhaps a little unfortunate for RWBY), Maka does scale alongside them, and there’s plenty of evidence to back this up. Obviously, a big part of this comes from her role as the fucking protagonist and the fact that she consistently fights alongside her peers throughout the entire series. There isn’t too much more that really needs to be said, but if anyone still has doubts, I hope I can clear them out.
In base, the gap between them is certainly large, but Maka still remains relative. Asura’s wavelength doesn’t cause her any of the debilitating effects it should, she blocks a strike from Vajra alongside Black☆Star, reacts in step with Asura’s casual attacks, and even withstands a direct double-handed blow from him without sustaining lasting damage.
We’re also shown what is very likely a direct side-by-side comparison of their souls in chapter 112. This was clearly base Maka, as she only later reactivated both the Black Blood Dress and Soul Resonance. That moment essentially serves as a canon power comparison straight from the author. Alternatively, it could represent Maka, Soul, and Crona as the three stars. But whichever order they’re meant to be in, Maka and Soul together would still scale close to or even above Crona regardless.
The sizes of their souls
Admittedly stepping into some slightly speculative scaling, we can look at the relative soul sizes of the three main cast members. Maka, Black☆Star, and Kid. In this aforementioned comparison, Maka’s soul measures at 6 pixels in diameter, Kid’s at 20, and Black☆Star’s at 30.
The author’s intent here was almost certainly to compare either diameters or areas, but even if you try to scale based on volume, it ultimately makes little difference for the reasons I’ll outline.
Black☆Star being “only” five times stronger than Maka in base form actually lines up well with Soul Eater’s powerscaling. To illustrate, if someone’s bench press were ten times greater than a regular lifter’s max, they’d already rank as one of the strongest humans alive. Unlike real lifters, however, Black☆Star isn’t restricted by the square–cube law. In reality, more muscle mass means more weight and less relative speed, since strength scales with surface area while volume scales with mass. Black☆Star sidesteps this entirely and his growth in strength directly translates into greater speed as well.
Conclusion for power?
Ruby was not affected by apathy grimes despair comparatively
ReplyDeleteNGL Ruby was pretty high-balled here. There is some stuff taken out of context:
ReplyDelete-Long Memory's explosion was worth several lifetimes of stored energy, and exploded Monstra from the inside, so likely doesn't scale to her KE
-Neo is more likely to have survived the explosion via surface area, like Oscar did
-Weiss' meteor has results as low as Town Level
-Earthquake feats shown accounting for total seismic energy(only used in natural or tectonic quakes), instead of impact as they should, which massively inflates the results
-Vine died to stop Ironwood's bomb, and only was able to do so with his specific semblance
...etc.
Either way, this all shows just how screwed Ruby is, that even her most high-balled, she is leagues weaker than low-balled Maka.